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Trouble with moneybookers.com

I'm having a rather bad first experience with moneybookers.com, a UK-based service similar with PayPal. It's been about two weeks since I received some money for the first time using this service, and although I requested a withdrawal nothing has happened (a confirmation screen had shown up but I didn't get any confirmation email, my account balance hasn't changed, nothing in my history) and I'm not receiving replies to my emails.

The service seems professional and all, and I'm not worried about whether it is legit or not, but their customer service really sucks so far.

After about 5 emails sent that remain unanswered, I now feel at a loss as how to deal with this. So if you're familiar with moneybookers and think you can help, or, better, if you know how I can get ahold of these guys, let me know. I'd truly appreciate.
I don't really want to try calling because the long distance call would make it senseless to use their "free" service in the first place.

... By the way, I'd like to point out something I found very strange in their procedures...
When adding a credit card to your account, you must "verify" it before making payments. This requires sending them a proof that you own the actual card, which is done like this:

Submit clear and readable copies of the following documents to us:

(i) the front and back of the credit card; AND
(ii) recent credit card statement signed by the credit card owner (purchase or ATM advice slips cannot be accepted); AND
(iii) valid official identification document with picture (such as ID card, passport or driver's license).

Via email: Send a scan copy to service\at\moneybookers\dot\com (JPEG or GIF file formats only with a maximum size of 364KB per page)

Via fax: ...

Now that's a lot of personal documents to send... "via email"!?? This completely voids their use of SSL in the first place.
Surely there are some missing bolts in their system, but at this point I only care about getting my cash, as their payment receipt email suggests:

Your money is waiting for you in your moneybookers.com account.
We hope you enjoy your cash.

...

Posted on February 19, 2005 at 22:10

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Man, there is no way I would send any type of CC information via e-mail. But, why on earth would anyone need that much information? Even if it is legit, it still reeks of some sort scam. I'd say when (if) you get your money, close the account and have you don't encounter any unexpected charges to you cards.

Posted by Jon on February 20, 2005 at 00:08

Yeah I'll definitely do that...! Hoping that I _will_ get my money.

I'm still under the impression that it's a legit service though, as many online shops seem to be accepting it. So I guess that it must be working out for most of them.

Posted by Patrick on February 20, 2005 at 00:18

I'd get whatever useful info you can from their fine print, like their office address and if they are using or affiliated with some sort of financial or credit service.

Okay then contact the office of one your credit cards that you've had an okay relationship with and tell the credit card that you'd like to use moneybookers services but have security concerns.

I think it might be an interesting strategy to pose a good question to your credit card company. Offer them the info you know about Moneybookers and ask your credit card company if it's VISA or Mastercard or whomever your card belongs to that's making verification so tough that you have to do something risky securitywise in order to use a financial service you'd like to use because it appeases their credit card service.

I just think that sort of angle gets them to hopefully come up with a better answer than a dismissive lecture on what you shouldn't do to protect your card

Posted by ndkent on February 20, 2005 at 16:30

Thank you very much Nick! I think I'll give that a try!

Posted by Patrick on February 20, 2005 at 23:22

WHEW, I finally got an answer! What a delay...
Hopefully things will move on and my withdrawal will get completed sometime soon.

Posted by Patrick on February 22, 2005 at 10:15

Bad news is that they still want me to send them copies of personal documents (not my credit card though) by fax or email before proceeding with my withdrawal.

Posted by Patrick on February 22, 2005 at 21:45

Hi Patrick,

something simular is needed with Paypal in Germany if the amount of money reaches a sum of 7500 Euro. Paypal wants you to send some legitimation like a copy of your last energy invoice with your address printed on it. We first wonder about that. But showing an invoice with your name on it makes sure that your address is correct.

Best

Markus

Posted by Markus on February 24, 2005 at 04:39

That makes sense. I'm trying to withdraw about 2000yen so it seems like a lot of trouble for such a small amount.

They requested copies of my passport or a photo ID, and a bank statement or gas/electricity invoice. I still don't like sending these documents by email and they don't have a secure interface to upload them, so I uploaded them to a secure server of mine and asked them to download the files from there.
Hopefully they'll figure it out and get back to me soon.

Posted by Patrick on February 24, 2005 at 11:29

Hi Patrick,

at Paypal it is not the sum of a single transaction but the sum of all previous transactions. If it reaches some level you have to legitimate. I like the idea that there is some proof in the process.

Isn't there any way to fax the documents to a local number in Japan? PayPal has such service here in Germany.

/Markus

Posted by Markus Kreisel on February 25, 2005 at 03:04

Nope. There probably isn't for PayPal either, since the site isn't localized in Japanese.

Posted by Patrick on February 25, 2005 at 08:32

Hello
Have sent them A$750 more than a week ago by direct bank transfer - still not credited and so far none of my emails have been replied to. I think I must now go to the police.

Erwin Vogler

Posted by Erwin Vogler on March 18, 2005 at 08:07

They finally proceeded with verifying my account a few days ago. It took countless emails (many remained unanswered and ignored) and near a month and a half. I am planning to post all details soon.
They are certainly very misorganized.

Posted by Patrick on March 18, 2005 at 08:11

I'm having problems with them too. I'm a customer of Skype.com and Skype recently started using moneybookers to purchase credit for Skype internet telephony service. very cumbersome. and they asked me to send copy of ID just to credit 10euros. I've sent a scanned copy and am now concerned as to whether they are legit. any ideas would be helpful.

Posted by Jim on March 19, 2005 at 00:06

Hai
I am also using this moneybookers.com for skype.com ..just today i created the account and i didnt send the copies of my documents, and i want to delete that account because it seems suspecious, and i am using my debit card, if you know any thing about how to delete account please tell. and there is no deletion option in that site

my mail id is gopi799 /AT/ gmail /DOT/ com
Any help is appreciated
With regards Gopi

Posted by Gopi on March 19, 2005 at 01:08

Sorry to hear about everyone's problems. In a way I'm glad to know it wasn't just me though. I wish they will open their eyes and do something to better serve their customers.

I've posted a detailed update of how things have been going here:
http://www.chipple.net/mt/2005/03/19_001886.php

Posted by Patrick on March 19, 2005 at 01:59

All the identification stuff is a result of the crack-down on money laundering by drug dealers and terrorists. The Paypals and Moneybookers of the world don't demand this info to scam you, they do it to keep the FBI, CIA, MI5 etc etc off their backs.

Posted by Alex Rosser on June 24, 2005 at 13:56

Sure, sure. But Moneybookers are too strict, too slow, and doesn't give any feeling that things are being done right. You'd expect them to be responsive when people send them personal documents and bank transfers, but they're not.

Posted by Patrick on June 24, 2005 at 14:02

Moneybookers customer service is slow and their website is stark. Scam artists are taking advantage of this situation in order to commit fraud. In my case, I had arranged a purchase with a seller who turned out to be a con. The 'seller' sent me a detailed fake moneybookers invoice via email requesting that I western union money to a 'moneybookers agent'-yeah right-go find another sucker!

While I believe moneybookers had nothing to do with the scam, it is their lack of infrastructure that makes such a scam possible. If buyers could view details of a transaction from the webpage and if customer service would respond in less than a week or two, these scams could be minimized. Maybe when moneybookers matures they will offer better protection, but for until such time I would reccomend sticking with the giants (paypal or escrow.com.) Moneybookers seems only minimally interested that people masquerading as fake moneybookers agents and sending out fake moneybookers invoices.

Posted by satsu1 on September 11, 2005 at 12:54

moneybookers are a thieves

Posted by somo on December 18, 2005 at 06:24

moneybookers customer service is shit.

i would advise steering well clear of them. it is run from a tiny tempory rented office space. i am trying to get the company director/owners details which we are entitled to by law. i will be posting them on the internet.

Posted by beheadings on January 14, 2006 at 21:07

Similar problems, I'm afraid. I've used Moneybookers for a year, mostly for online gaming transactions. I withdrew £2700 from a bookmaker last week, and pretty much immediately got asked for ID, which I sent at once. No problem with this.

However they have since failed to respond to a single e-mail (at least 3 per day) to explain what was going on and when my account would be unlocked (it's virtually impossible for me to call them during the day).

I've discovered since that others are in a similar position - one person faxed ID, and Moneybookers claim not to have received the fax. Given that the fax was sent and therefore received, this is a clear lie.

I'm coming to terms with the realisation that I can probably wave goodbye to three grand, but please if you have cash with these shysters, get it clear of the account as soon as you can. This has all the signs of being a scam organisation, including transfer fees which are way too low to run a business from.

Posted by Jan on January 27, 2006 at 04:54

One other comment site about moneybookers stated that if a follow up email was received by them, then it automatically sent your original email to the back of the cue to be with it.

That seems to be a weird way for an email answering system to work, but it may partly explain people that send them regular emails not getting answered as fast as others who don't.

Posted by Brian on January 29, 2006 at 02:57

I often got a reply soon after sending one of many emails*, so I really wouldn't go as far as believing that cue thing, which really must just be a speculation.

* See my chronological history of Moneybookers trouble.
http://www.chipple.net/mt/2005/03/19_001886.php

Posted by Patrick on January 29, 2006 at 11:25

I am also having trouble verifying a credit card. What they do is charge a small random amount of money to the card you list in your account on their website, like $1.20, and then when it is posted on your charge card account, you enter the exact amount in the verification box in your $Bkrs acct and that supposedly verifies that you can spend the HUGE amount of $67. every 60 days. So I tried putting 3 charge cards on the account and only one was recognised to be charged the small amount - while ALL are listed there. But the small amount has not shown up on the charge card balance, even tho #bkrs emailed that it was charged.
I have sent 4 emails since, and whoa, what a surprise, no answer.
I am having a friend in London call all the numbers I have for them, perhaps a real person will explain what the problem is, aside from a very badly managed business.
It appears to me that they only want bank wire transfers to fund, and are practicing "discouragement by ignorance" of the credit card aspect of a person's account.
Here are the numbers I have collected: 44 207 419 5726 and 0905 848 0011 and +442088804032
ARlie

Posted by Arlie on January 31, 2006 at 18:20

This moneybookers sucks = I did everything they ask on their site and guess what? nothing happens. My limit is US 20 for 90 days (where can I spend that fortune in such a short ime?) and I have $ 3.500 stuck there...
Of course they do NOT answer my e-mail nor faxes

Posted by aurelio beroth on February 1, 2006 at 01:50

I haven't use MB yet, but I did make the verification of my credit card. The amount of money showed instantly in my account....

Posted by George on February 6, 2006 at 09:45

moneybookers customer service sucks.
they ignore emails, but........

they are trying to bully me into removing references to their site on my magicmushroom site and they replied in less than 5 minutes to my email with more threats. but when i email with regard to getting my funds it is ignored. they want everybody to phone their premium rate phone line.

anybody can lease a script for £30 a month and start a dodgey payment website.

steer well clear. stormpay is living proof of what a mess it can turn into.

Posted by the truth about moneybookers on February 14, 2006 at 10:16

Tried the Moneybookers telephones today, they have all have been disconnected.

Looks like MB have closed shop and pulled the plug.

Only the US listed fax number seemed to work, although no answer after 8 hours.

Posted by stuart wade on February 26, 2006 at 12:04

I am not necessarily advocating moneybookers as I have only used it once but so far no problems. Money upload went fine, including credit card verification which only involved them making v low instant withdrawal from my credit card and me inputing this amount on their website and then having that value instantly credited to my moneybookers account (all happened within 1 day!)

Now have requested withdrawal so we will see but received confirmation email straight away so seems ok to me.

I don't know where Arlie got those numbers from but the correct nos on the moneybookers website are

UK: 0905 848 0011
International: +44 709 204 2000

Also found further info about company on http://www.electronic-payments.co.uk/Products/moneyB/data_sheet.jsp
including another tel no: +44 870 225 5040 which works because I have just used it today!

Posted by Emma on March 10, 2006 at 21:56

Maybe legit but certainly dear. They charge the buyer to "upload" funds anything up to 2.5% and then a further "verification" charge of between £1.01 and £2.99 (nice little earner) where as PayPal charges a max (if I recall correctly of £0.20) Certainly, I wouldn't use other than I had no option. Maybe legit but I feel they are certainly NOT the best service of this type about

Posted by Peter Dobson on March 12, 2006 at 05:30

I'm having a hellacious time getting a simple withdrawl from my account. Their site has me caught in an endless loop that goes like this:

* Log in and go to My Account
* click on Withdraw Funds
* Select my bank account as the source
* enter the full balance availabe in the box and hit Next
* comes to a screen that says 'We're unable to verify your information so here's your choices...blah blah blah.... we deposit some $$'s into your bank account and you get the verification code...blah blah blah OR give us your credit card information.

* I select to verify my bank account option so it takes me back to the account choices screen where I have to enter an amount of less than $15 US. I enter $14 and press next.

* Now i'm taken back to the page that tells me i'm not validated! GRRRRR

* I select to validate my bank account... AGAIN!! Click next and get the same farking message as before!

"In order to verify your bank account, you need to request a bank transfer withdrawal with an amount less than USD 15.00. We will then make a payment for this amount to your bank account and include a unique verification code in its reference field. This is the code which you will have to enter after you receive the payment.

The verification procedure should be completed within 3 banking days. As soon as you enter the verification code successfully in the field below, your member status will be upgraded to 'verified'. You will then be able to request withdrawals from your account freely."

* below that is the place to put the verification code. But nothing gets deposited, nothing confirms the withdrawl, nothing gets me my money...AND NOTHING GETS ME VALIDATED!

I've sent two emails to their service@ email address posted and have not heard a thing. Not even a lame autoresponse acknowledging that they've received our request, yada yada yada.

I'd call these pricks but from what i've read i'd be on the international call for enough time to chew up the whole balance they hold.

I only use these jokers since an affiliate program I belong to uses their services. Otherwise they can go piss up a rope.

Anyone having this problem?

Posted by Bozo The Clown on April 1, 2006 at 03:44

I have to say, i am very unimpressed with moneybookers, i think that they are a bunch of crooks, they don't respond to emails and their site is just a nightmare.
I purchased an item off ebay and a suggested form of payment was moneybookers, similar to paypal, or so i thought. how am i supposed to pay for a $220 item when i am only allowed to send $70 per 90 days. I tried to pay the money back to myself, SORRY, can't do that either!!! (unless you send them some more money) thay already have enough of mine!!!

I am pretty pissed off that shit like this happens. It's just a joke, like moneybookers!!!

Posted by kiwicraig on April 1, 2006 at 04:55

hell.. fuck that site..

alot of delays in payments.. they pay only 95%....
alot of delauy in that.. no body picks phone..

and autoresponder working for mb.

helll with paypal and mB both...

Posted by Victor Harris on April 20, 2006 at 21:03

I too signed-up with MB since paypal is not yet accepted in my country and MB seemed to be the only other alternative to paypal for non-paypal countries.

The signing-up was easy and I thought that I had things smooth-sailing.

Problem started when I tried to upload funds via my own credit card...I was getting a message "verification failure" all the time. I then think it is probably because my address in my credit card is different from the address in my moneybookers account.

So then I proceed to attempt to change my MB address to my CC address. It seems smooth and then it asks for your birthday. I input my birthday and then I get a message "wrong birthday"! WTF! How can I not know my birthday!

It is a good thing that I haven't actually told somebody to send money to me yet or did I make any transactions yet.

I sent them an email about this and of course, there was no reply.

How many of you guys in reality really had a smooth thing with MB?

Posted by randy on May 24, 2006 at 12:33

So is that a good thing to use this MB.for transfer money from Germany to Thailand? i need to know!

Posted by Risker on June 11, 2006 at 03:36

I wish I had read this post before I used Moneybookers. I uploaded some money to my MB account and the money was rightly deducted from my bank account. But 4 days have passed, my balance in MB is still $0.00. I called +44 709 204 2000 yet the line seems to be disconnected. Sent a email to them a few hours ago, yet based on what I read from this post, I would not expect any answer from these bastards.

Will try the other number though.

Posted by Feng on June 13, 2006 at 04:07

I called +44 870 225 5040 3 times. Oooops, surprise! Somebody picked up the phone. I explaned my problem. And gave my email address, he asked for my DOB and post code. Then he said that he could see the money is on the way from my account. And he will check with his finance department to find out then the money can be credited to my account. Just have to trust him at this moment.

Posted by Feng on June 13, 2006 at 21:55

I'm having trouble with moneybookers, they're pissing me off. I registered with moneybookers with a different birthdate to my real one ...i put a fake birthdate. In this case, i've forgotten the fake birthdate and when i went to send money overseas i didn't think that moneybookers would ask for the birthdate to verify the payment. I called moneybookers two days ago and was told to email my drivers licence (i blanked out the the number) it has been two days and still no response and was told the problem would be fixed immedietley. I've emailed them again, hopefully they respond

Posted by mush on June 14, 2006 at 00:50

Does Moneybookers act like paypal,
when I talk about freezing of accounts,
linking of accounts.

I which and how many cases do they freeze the money - as often as paypal?

When do you need to give them personal verification? before withdrawal of the money?

What fees do they charge if a withdawal fails?

questions over question I know,
but I don't want to make a mistake a second time (painpal)

Posted by franz on June 14, 2006 at 22:40

"Bozo The Clown" I'm having the same issue you had! How did you managed to pass over it?

Posted by Oliver on August 22, 2006 at 00:55

moneybookers.com sucks. I just tried to send somebody $284 for an ebay auction i won. it's impossible to figure how much to add to the account because of the fees on both teh "add" and "Send" money features.

REgistering took 4 days and the site froze my ability to use credit cards in the meantime due to me having to try to verify so many cards (visa doesn't like this site and they automatically rejected it)

the site also stores all credit card infromation online. i had to try to add 4 different cards, only 1 was successful, yet it stores every number i had to enter.

all in all this site pure plain just sucks ass. don't use it. good luck getting your funds.

Posted by tim on September 28, 2006 at 23:12

I upload 69 USD to their account in Turkey. I called the bank they claimed that it is in moneybookers account currently.
But moneybookers denied this fact. And they said, do whatever you can do take your money back. But bank requires their commitment to give me the money back.
Do not use moneybookers!!!

Posted by Ümit DOĞAN on October 18, 2006 at 01:08

i don't have a problem with account limits.. my limit is over 20 000$ .. but the idots locked my account, and asked me "with what purpose did i send or recive funds from other moneybookers clients" if it's like their f...ing business..
i run an affiliate program with several sportsbook websites, and nowadays it is realy hard to find new people to place bets or play poker because the internet is full of such banners,so my "thing" is that i send new players some extra money as an incentive to play through my links.. it probably looks from their point of view like a fraud, but it's not... not that i know of.
since when it is illegal to give people money..

anyway they finaly responded to my emails and told me their security department needs more time to make investigations,.. this they tell me after two weeks of waiting for a response.

another thing i've discovered, is that they only respond to questions sent in english, altough it has many languages,.. the emails are probibly predefined in other languages and when you send them a question in another language they can't understand- and don't tell you this.. they let you wait like an idiot in front of your computer and send e-mails like crazy...
i hope they sort it out.. i had no problems with withdrawals and deposits wich is a good thing :)

Posted by bogdan on October 21, 2006 at 04:06

why does Skype even use them? I've only gotten as far as verifying my credit card (which they finally did)--by the way, paypal does verification too), but after reading all these posts, I will definitely not transfer any money to them. I want to remove my credit card info from their site--has anyone been able to close their account with them?

Posted by kr on November 10, 2006 at 12:39

bogdan how did your situation play out? I am having the exact same problem except they not only want to verify my account they want EVERYONE ive ever done business with to verify their accounts as well before releasing my money. Thats well over 50 people and thats just not going to happen. I am very worried.

Posted by BoBo on January 28, 2007 at 10:57

I'm trying to get money from templatemonster.com which uses MB. I set up my account, verified my mailing address and tried to withdraw $600+ u.s but it asked me for my birthday.

Now, I have no problem entering my real birthday and I can't for the life of me figure out why I would have entered in a false birthday but when I type in my birthday it says that it is invalid. My account is now locked and I have to "mail" them a notorized passport or other national government document. I guess that means a drivers license won't even work.

Once I get my money out I will never, ever use them again.

Run awayyyyyyyyy.

Posted by jd on March 7, 2007 at 10:20

I used moneybookers at the request of my computer programmer in Iran. He did a job for me and I was told to pay him using MB. Well I uploaded the money and when it came to his account nobody in Iran would pay him cash for this money. Seems the money transfer people there knew something about MB and that it was impossible to deal with. So he sent it back to me and I thought I could simply withdraw it and send using ztransfer.com But now my account is frozen and they won't release my account until i show them my passport or other ID. They have my credit information already. I was going to link my bank account so they can easily deposit it into my bank. But my account is frozen. I called the telephone numbers but they are disconnected.
I fazed them but the fax was disconnected.
I emailed them but no replies.
I think all money is lost.
They are theives.
Moneybookers is a scam 100%. Incompetent scamming bastards.
If you use them you will be sorry. I wish I found this forum before hand.

Posted by Macedonian on April 30, 2007 at 23:51

I had given my withdrawal request from Moneybookers for my hard money on GAF and they falsely reported me of sending me money to my bank account.
I have Lost great amount in dollars .And they are enjoying my hard earned money.
Please beware freelancers of choosing this fraud site.
Please dont lose your valuable money with this fraud site.Its a 100% scam site.
BEWARE BEWARE OF MONEYBOOKERS.COM

Posted by Rp on May 22, 2007 at 13:07

I am glad I found this site. I was just about to pay for skype credit using Moneybookers. it seemed a bit odd when it said it couldn't confirm my bank account and wanted more info. Bummer as I'm in Vietnam for 3 months working and really need to call UK to sort out some issues. Think I'll find another way.

Posted by Kirsty on August 2, 2007 at 01:21

I have read many posts in many of the forums like this one, where, i can see, people telling about moneybookers scams and frauds. Although, i read posts of some happy users of MB; still cannot imagine whats going on...!!

The bad luck is, I too am a programmer, and unfortunately, i am struck with moneybookers. I cannot verify my account, even from three or more credit cards, or bank transfers. I am not getting support replies even after a week.

In too much frustrated position, I am praying to God to get the money of my hardwork.

Please learn a lesson from me...don't choose Moneybookers at all.

Thanks.

Posted by Abbas Khan on August 4, 2007 at 06:24

Hey i signed up for moneybookers and i dont use it anymore and i want to get rid of it how do i delete the account? Its pissing me off i cant find anywhere to delete it.

Posted by marcus suzuki on August 13, 2007 at 01:20

Beware! moneybookers.com detains people's money and they don't let account holders to withdraw for no reason, we sent many emails and calls but they just don't reply when our money will be released, this is just like stealing, shame on them!

Posted by fatbrain on September 13, 2007 at 07:04

I used Paypal for ages to pay my Skype account with
no problem. When I started to use a portable computer
I found out that the keyboard was not reliable. I did not notice that I sent an error, missing letter, in a code name to paypal and that blocked everything. I went through all the problems of convincing tem who I was,
sending electric accounts, passports the lot. But it worked. I used faxes for some of it. I did not falsify my birth date because at 79 years old I have little memory
Acouple of mnths ago I thought I might need a standby so I opened an account with MB and today when paypal did not pay Skype, I tried eight times
and then switched to moneybookers. within five minutes, Skype was acknowledging my payment.
I accept that if I have credit card in my hand and send the details to someone, they have no means of knowng that it is mine. This applies to all the information WE send. Everthing they ask for canbe seen to be a security check..
If I don`t do these checks some smart arse will be complaining that my sloppy system is insecure and to prove it they personally have conned me
The delays in e-mails and communication I cannot explain. But having sometime ago having had my own business I suspect it is a case of being overloaded by a bunch of people who I know are lying or trying to con me and I don`t really want on my books anyway.
I shall now go to bed and when I get up in the morning I will chck if my PAypal account is back on-line. But why bother I have got my Monybookers to fall back on
Hae a nice day

Posted by STAN RODGERS on October 9, 2007 at 10:57

I too have a great amount of USD frozen in my account, the money is for months of my hard work. It's been 2 weeks now and no answer from them. If I lost these hard earned money I'll make sure none of the people I know or talk to will ever use MB's service.

Anyway I'll come back here and post update. So let wait and see.

Posted by A freelancer on November 6, 2007 at 02:01

Hi again, MB has unlocked my account. I've just withdraw all the money a few mins ago. Everything seems to be ok, except that I had to wait one full month for their responds.

Posted by A freelancer on November 20, 2007 at 01:56

My business just received an email requesting an update of my account information to receive a payment. We have never registered with this company, the amount they list is not the amount of any invoice in our file, and the email does not list the person making the payment. Somebody is scamming!

Posted by isaac on November 20, 2007 at 05:49

isaac, that's probably a spoof email (spam sent by scammers who want to steal money or identities). That's not Moneybookers' fault.

Posted by Patrick on November 20, 2007 at 07:29

Actually, I have used Moneybookers for few years now , so far they are good except that a bite slow in response. Still far better than paypal!

Posted by Maxi on January 22, 2008 at 15:56

Hi,

I'm trying to buy a car from the seller who is in UK and she said moneybookers would send me an email, I got an email saying to get a moneygram and send to an agent as the receiver then email or fax them the confirmation, do you think this is legit?

Posted by Nancy on February 7, 2008 at 00:30

Nancy's comment is familiar. She might be interested in the same car, a 2006 Toyota SUV, that I inquired about. The seller is in the UK and is using Moneybookers to handle the transaction. The whole things seems fishy. If it sounds too good to be true, then it probably isn't. You put up the money but where's the car?

Posted by mj on February 12, 2008 at 05:38

I just heard from the seller saying that the car is warehoused in NYC and that I can't see the car since Moneybookers is handling the transaction. I'm to provide him with the requested info so he/she (Michael/Rachel) could forward it to Moneybrookers to begin processing the sale with me. I'm dropping the whole matter.

Posted by mj on February 12, 2008 at 05:56

Hello,

I too saw and was interested in the 2006 RAV4 from Michael Rachel from Glasgow, Scotland. Email said car is in moneybookers.com's warehouse and ready for delivery. If you read moneybookers.com's site, they said that buyer and seller must have arranged for shipping already. Plus, moneybookers.com is part in the transaction is only as a third-party unbiased escrow handler.

I saw the ad on craigslist.com and when I searched the email, they posted it on three different cities, Los Angeles, San Francisco and NY City. I almost fell for this great bargain. If its too good to be true, then it probably is a scam.

Thanks everyone.

Posted by Koo on February 12, 2008 at 07:26

hey,
i just found a really good deal for a 2003 jeep liberty. it too was on moneybookers. im currently talking with the "owner" of this car. she said she is in Glasgow, Scotland too. is there anyway to find out if this transaction is truly legit???

thanks guys

Posted by adam on February 26, 2008 at 10:07

I saw an ad on Craigslist for a Harley. Responded to the ad was told that the owner was working in London for the next 7 months and that the bike would be delivered to me with a 14 day guarantee after I provided complete name address and transferred the payment through MoneyBookers. I'm not falling for it and just wanted to let everyone know to watch out for these scams.

Posted by AJ on February 27, 2008 at 23:25

I am in contact with a person who is "working" in the UK for next 7 months and is selling a BMW Motorcycle for an insane low price. The ad is in Craig's List also. 14 day policy and that the bike is sitting in a warehouse. If I can see and ride the bike - NO way in hell are they getting any money! All I have done so far is ask a lot of questions and I'm not getting the correct answers. It just seemed too good to be true - there is no way I am signing up with this MB. I always do a TON of research before I do anything else. Too good to be true and your gut is telling you something is not right - Stick with your gut feelings! It's not worth risking any money or your credit!

Posted by NoFoolHere on March 2, 2008 at 13:15

hey all,

i just found a bmw motorcycle listed on craigslist where the "owner" is living in london for the next 7 months, too. super low price, too good to be true, etc. all these stories are sounding the same...red flags.

plus, the guy always ended his email with "i am waiting your email". creepy?

Posted by mbh on March 3, 2008 at 09:01

Hi,
There are 11539 miles on it,engine size 1200cc, the bike is in great condition, has been properly maintained, has never been dropped or abused in any way. It has a clear title and the price I`m selling it for is $2950, which is including all shippings charges.
I live in Tulsa but I`m currently working in the UK (London) and I`ll be staying here for the next approximately 7 months, anyway I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell this bike without difficulty. I left it at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They will take care of the delivery with a 14-day return policy so you will have the chance to test and inspect it before final decision. If you want to purchase it, let me know and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward.
I am waiting your email.
Thanks.

This is the same guy that Aj posted about. AJ if you are still here what city was the bike in? This one was in tulsa. His name was Jeff Lee.

Posted by Amber on March 5, 2008 at 02:31

I am so happy I found this forum before using moneybookers to receive child support from my daughter's father, who lives overseas. Sounds like they are inefficient rather than evil but the difference isn't much to people who rely on getting their money in good time.

I have been using paypal to receive this money every month, but someone scammed me through ebay and paypal refused to take any action against her, so I will never use paypal again. Now I have to find a reliable, efficient and scam-free site ... I know, easier said than done!

Thanks again for this forum and good luck to all of you with money troubles.

Posted by Claire on March 6, 2008 at 19:53

by the way, there seems to be no option to close a moneybookers account. Or has anyone found it?

Posted by Claire on March 6, 2008 at 19:55

I just saw an ad for a 2005 honda at 1/3 of it's value including pictures through our local paper.

Supposedly, it is a US military person stationed in the UK but heading to Iraq.

He wants the money sent to Moneybookers.

So this is a scam????

Posted by pat on March 11, 2008 at 00:07

I found this Link while researching MB....I hope i'm not repeating this.

Posted by Mr Majic on March 12, 2008 at 06:50

I guess the URL part wasn't meant for the Post...LOL...anyway here it is....

http://www.websense.be/securitylabs/alerts/alert.php?AlertID=742

Posted by Mr Majic on March 12, 2008 at 06:52

Does this look familiar? 2002 Honda VFR on craigslist.

Hi,
The bike is in great condition, it has been properly maintained, never been dropped or abused in any way. It has clear title and the price I'm selling it for is $2990, which is including all the shipping charges.
I live in Raleigh but currently I am with work in UK, London for the next approximately 7 months. Anyway, there shouldn`t be any problem, because I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell the bike without difficulty.
I left the bike at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They will take care of the delivery. There`s a 14-day return policy so you will have the chance to test, inspect and ride it before final decision.
So if you want to purchase it, drop me a line and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward.
I am waiting your email.
Thanks

Joe Kilot

+447502299101

Posted by Ash on March 14, 2008 at 04:16

Same thing in Pittsburgh...Harley Sportster 1200cc froam a David Bonett who supposedly lives in PGH but is in the UK for the next 7 months...The bike is in a warehouse in Columbus... $3700 bucks to MoneyBookers and 27 days later the bike will be delivered to me magically(right)...He even screwed up and switched the coversation to an ATV...He used the exact same verbage on the PGH craigslist as the guy looking at the Honda VFR in Raleigh....How can this dirtbag be busted???

Posted by Doug Koerbel on March 14, 2008 at 09:15

His email address is david_bonett@live.com

Posted by David Bonett isa Scmuck on March 14, 2008 at 09:19

Saw an add for a BMW on Los Anglees craigs list.
I knew the price was too good to be true (about 50% off), and five minutes on Google and here I am. This crap must work, but do people really just send thousands of dollars off for something so dodgy?
Here is the response:
Hi,
There are 11370 miles on it, the bike is in great condition, has been properly maintained, has never been dropped or abused in any way. It has a clear title and the price I`m selling it for is $2970, which is including all shippings charges.
I live in San Francisco but I`m currently working in the UK (London) and I`ll be staying here for the next approximately 7 months, anyway I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell this bike without difficulty. I left it at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They are supervising the entire process from payment, shipping with a 14-day inspection period included, returns (if needed) and refunding.
If you want to purchase it, let me know and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward.
I am waiting your email.
Thanks

Posted by Tom on March 17, 2008 at 05:32

Thank goddness for all of you here. MoneyBookers may actually be no worse or better than PayPal or other similar companies, but in searching for the reviews, I note the jackass group trying to scam these cars and bikes. Now they are on AutoTrader and I have similar emails with fill in-the blank cars, locations and names. Here is my email trail:

Hello,
I'm the owner of the 2003 Mini Cooper on which you've recently show interest.The car is in excellent shape and running condition. The price for the car is $3,500 with shipping and handling included in price.I am located in Houston,TX now and the car will be shipped from here. Shipping will be done via DAS and it will take no more then 2-3 days top (depending on your exact location).
The transaction will be made through MoneyBookers for our own protection. You will have 5 days to inspect and test drive it upon arrival with no obligation to buy. If you are interested in the purchase of the car, please get back to me and let know so we can make the deal.

Sincerely,
Gail

**************************

Here you have the VIN# WMWRC33423TC39065 please feel free to run a carfax report to see that everything is OK!
I will try to tell you in few words how the process works through MoneyBookers.
Their primary purpose is to protect buyers and sellers from fraud. MoneyBookers services accept and hold payment from the buyer until the buyer receives and approves the merchandise. Only then do they forward the payment to the seller.
If you are really interested in the purchase please get back to me asap with your full name and shipping address so I can forward them at MoneyBookers in order to open a case and they will guide you through the rest of the process so we can complete this deal successfully and in the best manner !

Sincerely,
Gail
gail_wkzll1965@msn.com

*************************************************
I have a bro in the car business and he checked out the impossible car deal (2003 Mini, 23K miles, $3500) and found it to actually be a 2002, auto auctioned in 2005, registered in VA with an extended warranty, last serviced JAN2008 in Phily and has 43K miles on it. Oh, and "Gail," her add is listed in NYC, just down the street from me and yet the car and "her" are in Houston. "Gail" hasn't answered to the last email I sent about the mileage issue or if the extended warranty is transferable.

This is actually getting fun!

Posted by worldglider on March 17, 2008 at 07:45

I'm so glad I found this site before I really started my transactions with MB. Has anyone seen or tried this there is a 2004 Land Rover Range Rover HSE for $9,000 sale from an owner named William Shuck he's in Glasgow, Scotland he said he couldn't take his vehicle with him because it's US made and they won't let him bring it in. The MB is Robert Butcher from Birmingham, England. He wants me to use MoneyGram send half of the $9k to the agent then they would send the vehicle, I would then have the vehicle for about 3 days to check it out, if I want it then I would send the rest of the money to the agent. One thing that I didn't get was when I asked the seller for more MG information he said that there is no information because they are an internet based company. Oh and the other thing on the sellers email he spelled his last name Shauck and on the email with MB his last name is spelled Shuck. How is this shit not getting stopped.

Posted by katheryn on March 19, 2008 at 01:08

I just sent an email from craigs list regarding a Ducati 748 and a yamaha. here is Yamaha ad:
Year: 2000
Miles: 20871
Engine Size (cc): 998
VIN Number: JYARN05E0YA003558

Up for sale is my 2000 Yamaha R1. This is a beautiful and powerful bike. I had the brakes, tires, chain, sprokets, battery, Wiley Co exhaust installed, and transmission gears replaced last year to hit the ground running hard this year. I placed a custom black with metallic flake paint job on it and flush carbon fiber turn signals, carbon fiber bar ends, and mirrors to compliment the paint. It’s a must see and hear. The bike has 20,800 miles on it, and a clear title. I will throw in the factory Yamaha decals, two helmets, and one racing jacket.

I got a response for the ducati and IT IS EXACTLY WORD WORD as an ad above.

Hi,
The bike is in great condition, it has been properly maintained, never been dropped or abused in any way. It has clear title and the price I'm selling it for is $2990, which is including all the shipping charges.
I live in New York but currently I am with work in UK, London for the next approximately 7 months. Anyway, there shouldn`t be any problem, because I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell the bike without difficulty.
I left the bike at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They will take care of the delivery. There`s a 14-day return policy so you will have the chance to test, inspect and ride it before final decision.
So if you want to purchase it, drop me a line and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward.
I am waiting your email.
Thanks

Dudley Revet

+447502299101

buyer beware - losers like this should be shot

Posted by C F on March 19, 2008 at 03:43

The same thing is happening in Scottsdale, Arizona. They actually have an advert on autotrader.com, claiming to be a woman working in Glasgow, Scotland. The whole thing seemed fishy, so I'm glad I investigated.

Posted by Johnny Five on March 20, 2008 at 00:55

Here's one from Florida....the Craigslist ad looked legit with pictures and all of a Yamaha Vmax:
Hi,
There are 4170 miles on it, engine size 1200cc, the bike is in great condition, has been properly maintained, has never been dropped or abused in any way. It has a clear title and the price I`m selling it for is $2850, which is including all shippings charges.
I live in Lakeland I`m currently working in the UK (London) and I`ll be staying here for the next approximately 7 months, anyway I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell this bike without difficulty. I left it at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They will take care of the delivery with a 14-day return policy so you will have the chance to test and inspect it before final decision.
If you want to purchase it, let me know and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward.
I am waiting your email.
Thanks.

Sure wish there was a way to nail these SOBs!

Posted by Roger W. on March 24, 2008 at 17:15

I responded to an ad on craigslist regarding a ridiculously low priced 2006 RAV4...does this sound familiar to anyone:

Hello,

As I told you in my first e-mail, I am in Scotland, United Kingdom with my work. Before leaving US I had prearranged the deal with Moneybookers.com so my presence in US isn't necessary. The car is in their warehouse ready for delivery.You have 10 days to test and inspect the car. So if you want to make this deal I need the following details from you:
*Full name and address
*Shipping address
*Phone #
After I will have all this details I will forward them to MoneyBookers and I will proceed the order. MoneyBookers will contact you with all the details that you need to complete this deal and also to see that i am covered by them and that I am legit seller.
Waiting your email with the requested details.

Regards!

George Harrison

Posted by Andy on March 26, 2008 at 06:20

I had used monebookers from time to time many years, beginning from their start. Turnover was very small from tens to hundreds $$ per month.

I had verified bank account, credit card, home address.

One day, year or too ago, I had noticed than my personal account became company account.

I had contacted with their stupid support about this fact and after week had received advice to register new personal account with new name, credit card, bank and home address.

I had wondered to this idiotic advice and was continuing using old.

A month ago I had noticed that my account is locked and very long list of documents they demand to unblock:

"We are glad that you are using a Moneybookers account to process payments. Given the official transaction limit for private individuals we must assume that you are using your account for business purposes.

In order to welcome you as a trusted business partner of Moneybookers you need to get your account verified. Therefore we kindly ask you to provide us with the following documents to process the account activation on our end:

- A coloured copy of your photo ID e.g. Passport, front and back
- Address Verification (Business Bank Account Statement preferred or a recent utility bill)
- An official company document e.g. Certificate of Incorporation, or something that proves that you are operating a legitimate business.
- An explanation of your business activities including URLs where applicable
- Statement showing the share ownership of the company
-Url of your website as well as a short business description
- Sign copy of the merchant agreement previously sent
"

I had repeated a few times during month that I have personal account with all verified personal information, but haven't received any response except this message copy.

All contact options from account are blocked, all e-mail requests are ignored.

Taking into account my previous moneybookers observations I conclude that moneybookes are scam with very ignorant stuff and insolent boss.

Posted by Monebookers_scam on March 27, 2008 at 05:02

thanks for this forum i am too involved in a great deal
a honda goldwing 1500a a gal named lorrie from london is working there and has set up a account throught moneybookers services. i am glad i checked this forum and craglist does have a site to report scams. this sounds like one and i will see where the bike is stored and if this is legit. thanks for your comments on this company. i will see if she can get any other place we can deal with instead of money bookers service. will let you all know how it turns out.

Posted by charles derosier on March 28, 2008 at 05:06

Just got this today:

Thomas Mortley 7:37 am (2 hours ago)

Hi,
There are 13000 miles on it, the bike is in great condition, has been properly maintained, has never been dropped or abused in any way. It has a clear title and the price I`m selling it for is $2600, which is including all shippings charges.
I live in oklahoma city but I`m currently working in the UK (London) and I`ll be staying here for the next approximately 7 months, anyway I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell this bike without difficulty. I left it at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They will take care of the delivery with a 14-day return policy so you will have the chance to test and inspect it before final decision. If you want to purchase it, let me know and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward.
I am waiting your email.
Thanks.

SCAM CITY

Posted by eric on March 29, 2008 at 00:12

I work as a financial crimes investigator who is currently working a fraud scheme identical to the vehicle ads listed above. My victim found a Camaro Z-28 listed on Autotrader.com to be paid for through Moneybookers. He said he thought it was too good to be true, but he sent them $4,000 anyway. $4,000, that he will never see again.

PEOPLE, IF IT SOUNDS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE, IT PROBABLY IS. THIS IS EXACTLY HOW SCAM ARTISTS WORK. THEY PLAY ON THE GREED OF HUMAN NATURE.

MONEYBOOKER IS NOTHING MORE THAN A SCAM SITE SET UP TO STEAL YOUR MONEY. THEY ARE PROBABLY NIGERIAN BASED. AVOID THEM LIKE THE PLAGUE.

(Moneybookers has on occasion actually returned a few peoples' money in a weak effort to make them appear legitimate.)

If you want to buy a vehicle of some type, conduct the transaction in person with a cashier' check. I wish everyone luck who has already sent Moneybookers money.

And I'm sorry, but anyone who sends anyone else copies of your credit card, deserves what ever happens to them. WAKE UP! Legitimate businesses will NEVER ask for a copy of your CC IN ANY FORM. There is absolutely no justifiable reason for doing so. NONE.

I am working with an investigator in Wales in an effort to get them arrested or at the very least, shut down. Stay away from Moneybookers.com.

Posted by Randy on March 29, 2008 at 02:12

Exact same thing! The harley davidson sportster in pittsburgh. The reply i got was identical to the other motorcycle ads above! Can anything be done! Something needs to be done before someone buys before they research. What threw me off in the email was the lack of grammer and misspelled words and the way things were worded. I an so glad i found this forum cause i was just about to sell my cbr 900 to buy this harley. THIS ASS HOLE NEEDS TO BE FOUND AND PROSECUTED!

Posted by Eric on March 30, 2008 at 14:59

I'M GLAD I'M JOINING THE CROWD OF THOSE WHO ARE SMART ENOUGHT TO INVESTIGATE. THE EMAIL I RECEIVED IS BELOW. THE EMAIL CAME WITH SEVERAL PICS AS WELL, INCLUDING PICTURES INSIDE THE CAR. VERY CUNNING, BUT NOT ENOUGH FOR THE AVERAGE GUY TO GET CAUGHT UP.

Hello,

Thank you for your interest about my car. Sorry for the delayed response, but I'm in Glasgow (Scotland) right now and I have been very busy. The total price of the 2003 Cadillac CTS is $5,600. THIS IS MY LAST PRICE. I will not negociate the price. The car is registered and located in United States. I want to keep the car for me, but I cannot register it here, as it is made for the USA market, according to US standards. So, I decided to sell it.
A few words about the car:
-2003 Cadillac CTS
-Mileage: 70,160
-Automatic
-Title is clean.
-Engine: 6 Cylinders
-Interior: Tan
-VIN#: 1G6DM57N730115500
The car is like new, in perfect conditions, accident free, no scratches, no special marks, no need for additional repairs what so ever. A genuine road runner ready to be yours, but only if you shall understand and you won't make me loose time as it has already happened to me.

If you have any question please don't hesitate to reply.

Thank you again for your interest.

Regards! Nicole.

WHEN I RESPONDED AND SHOWED INTEREST, THIS IS THE EMAIL I RECEIVED.

Hello,

As I told you in my first e-mail, I am in Scotland, United Kingdom with
my work. Before leaving US I had prearranged the deal with
MoneyBookers.com so
my presence in US isn't necessary. The car is in their warehouse in New
York ready for delivery.You have 10 days to test and inspect the car. So
if you want to make this deal I need the following details from you:

full name and address
shipping address
phone #

After I will have all this details I will forward them to Money Bookers
and I will proceed the order. Bookers will contact you with all the
details that you need to complete this deal and also to see that i am
covered by them and that I am legit seller.
Waiting your email with the requested details.

Regards! Nicole

Posted by Creativity Meets Normality on April 1, 2008 at 05:35

hey everybody,
thank god i found this site in time, i was just about to send off $1600 for a vintage Fender Telecaster guitar.
A few things made me suspect that this wasn't all legit, and the language used in the emails leads me to believe that this is the same asshole you have all been dealing with.
The main thing that lead me to believe it was a scam was a spelling mistake in the 'official' moneybookers email, saying "Sincerly, Moneybookers Financial Department". Now no self-respecting company would allow a spelling mistake like that go out in what otherwise looked like a very official email.
Here's his first email to me:

Hi Simon,

This guitar is in Very Near Mint Condition.There are no scratches, dents or dings anywhere on it,everything is 100% original.My selling price is $1400 which includes the shipping taxes and the insurance.The guitar is in Melbourne (at MoneyBookers official location) because i am with work in London,UK for the next approximately 3 months and i am using MoneyBookers services so I can have the guitar sold without difficulty.If you are interested the deal will go strictly according to MoneyBookers rules and policy.To start the official transaction, I need to know your full name and shipping details.As soon as I have this information, I will forward your details to MoneyBookers and they will notify you with all you need to know about our transaction. You'll also receive important guidelines + instructions from MoneyBookers regarding our transaction.You will have 14 days return policy, so you will have the chance to inspect the guitar and inform them if you keep it or not. If you decide to keep it, they will release me the funds, if not, you will have a complete refund within 3 days. So I am waiting your email.

Kind regards.
Terry Cowburn

And here is his last one:

Hi Simon,

I am selling the guitar because i have some personal problems and i need the money asap. I am not selling cars or anything else so please let me know if you are interested and if you wish to end the transaction. I will wait for your reply.

Best regards.
Terry Cowburn

I feel very lucky to have avoided this at the last moment, i am considering reporting this to the fraud departments with the police, i would really like to nail this guy before it can happen to anyone else!!

Posted by Simon on April 1, 2008 at 09:40

I did not find this site in time and was scammed for $4200.00 for a 2001 Bobcat. The sellers name was Ronald Povaleri, who supposedly moved to Oslo, Norway from Quebec, Canada. He sent me the "Moneybookers" invoice and had me send the money through MoneyGram. The money was sent to Andrew Roberts who was supposedly a Moneybookers Account Manager. The Firing Squad is too good for these crooks.

Posted by Harold on April 2, 2008 at 02:41

well i did recieved emails. from lorrie conner about the goldwing 1500a. a guy by the name of john robbins in 37 new hampton st, london w1s2rl is who iam suppose to send the moneyorder to. that is from the moneybookers service departments. lorrie said her phone is out and it would be not worth calling. now here is the fun part, moneybooker service said that he is the direct person to send and they have all the paper work and how its going to be delivered. so i could not go with moneybookers option payment plan. so i think i will let lorrie know if she cant get me someone here in the united states to talk to me then the deal is dead. what do u guys think, i read the investigators blog above and what have u come up with yet and can u check this guys name out and find if he is legit?

Posted by charles derosier on April 2, 2008 at 03:14

Same ad came out in the Western Kentucky Craigslist this week.......

This is a 2003 Harley Davidson Sportster Hugger 100 Anniversary Edition. It has 1465 miles on it. The bike has been kept in a heated and cooled garage and it is in awesome shape. It doesn't have any scratches and it has never been laid down. It comes with a 100th Anniversary removeable windshield, removeable saddlebags, deluxe cover and two helmets.

Here is my response to the email.....

Hi,
There are 1465 miles on it, the bike is in great condition, has been properly maintained, has never been dropped or abused in any way. It has a clear title and the price I`m selling it for is $2350, which is including all shippings charges.
I live in Western KY but I`m currently working in the UK (London) and I`ll be staying here for the next approximately 7 months, anyway I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell this bike without difficulty. I left it at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They will take care of the delivery with a 14-day return policy so you will have the chance to test and inspect it before final decision.
If you want to purchase it, let me know and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward.
I am waiting your email.
Thanks

The FBI and UK FBI needs to investigate these. Hopefully, no-one is that stupid to fall for these scams!

Posted by Rick on April 5, 2008 at 05:19

I too reponded to a ridiculas low $$ add for a 2006 Rav4 from this **shole.
I am sure glad I did a search on Moneybookers.
This is so a scam... The first email they sent me was from Mark Russell and the next email that I listed here was from a George Wallace. They could'nt even remember to use the same name!!!

STAY AWAY>>>>>>>

Posted by David on April 5, 2008 at 10:00

UNBELIEVABLE!! I almost fell for it myself.

Same basic concept as all the others except it was a 1996 BMW motorcycle. This is in the Detroit area. The bike is stored in Chicago at the "warehouse". I've got you beat on the story though.

His name is Stephen Ray and he works for Feed the Children and is in the UK. I even sent him an email commending him on his outstanding cause. ARGHH. Thank God I read this blog hours before I almost sent them $2750. I am going to give this to the local TV stations and see if they'll run with this to get the word out. Good luck to all..

Posted by Mike on April 5, 2008 at 12:17

I'm seeing the same moneybookers BS that everyone else is talking about.
From: Raymond Anderson [mailto:raymond.anderson68@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:59 PM
To:
Subject: --2004 Land Rover Range Rover HSE--

Hello,

As I told you in my first e-mail, I am in Scotland, United Kingdom with my work. Before leaving US I had prearranged the deal with www.MoneyBookers.com so my presence in US isn't necessary. The car is in their warehouse in New York,NY ready for delivery to buyer home address.You have 10 days to test and inspect the car. So if you want to make this deal I need the following details from you:

*Full name and address
*Shipping address and zip code
*Phone #

After I will have all this details I will forward them to MoneyBookers and I will proceed the order. MoneyBookers will contact you with all the details that you need to complete this deal and also to see that i am covered by them and that I am legit seller.

Waiting your email with the requested details.

Regards!

more:
The car is at the company shipping in New York, NY ready for delivery to buyer home address, so you cannot see.I hope you understand i have a agree with the shipping company and i can't change this terms.I wait your complet information if you still have interes abouth my Land Rover.

Thank you.

Raymond

All very sketchy. Does anyone know how we can puck these A-holes?

Posted by Pete on April 8, 2008 at 05:17

Why does their customer service suck so much? I get no response to emails or phone messages and $2000.00 is on hold in my account. I AM SO FURIOUS!!!!!!!!

Posted by KB on April 13, 2008 at 02:22

You all are a godsend. I too found myself interested in a 2005 BMW Z4 for 8,900. I knew better than to entertain the offer, but figured I would ask anyway. I found it a bit odd when "Jack Russell" never answered any of my direct questions. I went as far as receiving the invoice for Moneybookers, but never actually went through with sending any money. When you smell smoke, there is fire. I replied to "Jack" with the nastiest email I could write, telling him that I hope he dies an awful, evil, and agonizing death. That one was for all of you.

I hope they can't do too much with an address and phone number, as you can obtain this information from any phone book!

Posted by Anonymous on April 15, 2008 at 06:10

Have been "communicating" with Mary Cordel in Scotland selling a 2005 RAV4 for $7800.00. Listing was posted via web in the car classifieds of the Houston Chronicle (Houston, TX).
Thank you for this site! Same emails as those posted. Has saved me a lot of headache. Buyer Beware!

Posted by Not Quite Stupid on April 16, 2008 at 08:01

same scam off of las vegas craiglist, george wallace.
but same scam

Hello,

Thank you for your interest about my car. Sorry for the delayed response, but I'm in Glasgow (Scotland) right now and I have been very busy. The total price of the 2004 Cadillac Escalade EXT is $9,000.00USD . THIS IS MY LAST PRICE. I'll not negociate the price. The car is registered and located in United States. I want to keep the car for me, but I cannot register it here, as it is made for the USA market, according to US standards. So, I decided to sell it.
A few words about the car:
-2004 Cadillac Escalade EXT
-Mileage: 29648
-Automatic
-Title is clean.
-ALL WHEEL DRIVE
-Engine: 8 cylinder
-Exterior: Blue
-Interior: Tan
-VIN#3GYEK62N84G295047
-Standard Equipment :
Leather, Power Door Locks, Cruise Control, Power Steering, CD, AM/FM Radio, Cassette, Power Windows, Air Conditioning, 4DR AWD, All Wheel Drive, POWER SEATS, Dual Air Bags, 6.0 Liter 345 HP.
-Optional Equipment :
CD Changer, POWER SUNROOF, 24” Chrome wheels with security lock lug .
The car is like new, in perfect conditions, accident free, no scratches, no special marks, no need for additional repairs what so ever. A genuine road runner ready to be yours, but only if you shall understand and you won't make me loose time as it has already happened to me.
If you have any question please don't hesitate to reply.For more pictures click to the link:

http://s285.photobucket.com/albums/ll46/CadillacEscalade_album/?albumview=grid

Posted by britt on April 19, 2008 at 06:00

Like all of you before me. Thank goodness I found this site. Found an unbelievable deal on a 2006 Honda Civic on autotrader.com for $6700. Here's the e-mails I received:
Hello,

Thank you for your interest about my car. Sorry for the delayed response, but I'm in Glasgow (Scotland) right now and I have been very busy. The total price of the 2006 Honda Civic LX Sedan is $6,700. THIS IS MY LAST PRICE. I will not negociate the price. The car is registered and located in United States. I want to keep the car for me, but I cannot register it here, as it is made for the USA market, according to US standards. So, I decided to sell it.
A few words about the car:
-2006 Honda Civic LX Sedan
-Mileage: 23,559
-Automatic
-Title is clean.
-Engine: 1.8L L4 MPI SOHC 16V
-Exterior: Silver
-Interior: Gray
-VIN#: 1HGFA16536L066549
The car is like new, in perfect conditions, accident free, no scratches, no special marks, no need for additional repairs what so ever. A genuine road runner ready to be yours, but only if you shall understand and you won't make me loose time as it has already happened to me.

If you have any question please don't hesitate to reply.
Thank you again for your interest.

Regards! Samantha

Hello,

As I told you in my first e-mail, I am in Scotland, United Kingdom with my work. Before leaving US I had prearranged the deal with MoneyBookers.com so my presence in US isn't necessary. The car is in their warehouse in New York ready for delivery.You have 10 days to test and inspect the car. So if you want to make this deal I need the following details from you:

full name and address
shipping address
phone #

Regards! Sam

I reported this autotrader. I thought it was strange to get e-mail responses at 8pm Eastern Time, when the seller was 6 hours ahead in Glasgow. Plus this person's grammar made me think twice.

Posted by john on April 23, 2008 at 11:33

This is the first e-mail response I received when inquiring about a 2002 GSXR Motorcycle that was listed on Craigslist. Compare this response with the response posted by Rick on April 5, 2008, which is 9 posts above this one:

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On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 8:01 AM, David Groberg wrote:

Hi,
There are 11370 miles on it, the bike is in great condition, has been properly maintained, has never been dropped or abused in any way. It has a clear title and the price I`m selling it for is $2900, which is including all shippings charges.
I live in Syracuse but I`m currently working in the UK (London) and I`ll be staying here for the next approximately 7 months, anyway I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell this bike without difficulty. I left it at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They are supervising the entire process from payment, shipping with a 14-day inspection period included, returns (if needed) and refunding.
If you want to purchase it, let me know and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward.
I am waiting your email.
Thanks
------------------------------------------------------------

Isn't it interesting that 2 different people are selling 2 different items but have identical e-mail responses? WATCH OUT FOR THESE SCAM ARTISTS!

Posted by Brian on April 24, 2008 at 11:43

Refer to article written in Baltimore Sun regarding Moneybookers.com:

"Car bargains used in wired-payment fraud"

March 23, 2008

If someone overseas is offering to sell you a popular car for less than its Kelley Blue Book value, don't get rolled over, the Better Business Bureau of Greater Maryland warned.

Advertising such cars through online classifieds and trade magazines, scam artists pose as sellers from outside the country. To give the buyer a false sense of security, the seller claims the transaction will be completed through Moneybookers.com, which is a United Kingdom-based service that is similar to PayPal.com.

Follow-up e-mail messages from the seller are drafted to appear to be from Moneybookers. Buyers are then asked to send a fully insured and refundable 30 percent down payment on the car and they're instructed to wire the money to the seller in London, contrary to Moneybookers' policies.

The BBB warned that this scam has developed into a multilevel strategy in which consumers are sent e-mail modeled after the Moneybookers format. Links to online chats with scammers posing as Moneybookers reps are included in the e-mail to lure unsuspecting buyers.

The scam has been so successful that documented reports to the BBB have shown that some eager buyers lost thousands - and then sent an additional 30 percent to the scam artists.

When it comes to sending money via wire services, take Western Union's advice: The Western Union Money Transfer Service is not intended to send money to someone you don't know.

- Dan Thanh Dang

BE CAREFUL!!!!!!!

Posted by Emily on April 24, 2008 at 13:02

My sad experience with moneybookers fraudsters see here:

http://rosinstrument.com/pb/m/12040.htm

the history have relatively happy end after and because of and only due to trustE.org complaint.

I had avoided ANY PRIVATE DOCUMENTS COPIES sending to this criminals. I have received all my money frozen, account fast and successfully closed after the complaint.

Posted by Happy End on April 25, 2008 at 01:06

***Avoid an email from private sellers like Eric Shin!***

My story is a 2006 Lexus IS 350 for 15K USD

I gave preferences of how this sell will work. I am Still waiting to here back from the "Seller/Scammer". Thank God I have not agreed to purchase this vapor-mobile.

My recommendation is below:

DO NOT use www.moneybookers.com for Craigslist or AutoTrader auctions or sales!

SCAM! SCAM!
SCAM! SCAM!
SCAM! SCAM!
SCAM! SCAM!
SCAM! SCAM!
SCAM! SCAM!

Posted by N D on April 25, 2008 at 05:55

This my first e-mail back from the Auto Trader deal to good to be true.

Hello,

Thank you for your interest about my car. Sorry for the delayed response, but I'm in Glasgow (Scotland) right now and I have been very busy. The total price of the 2004 Chevrolet Corvette Coupe is $8,500. THIS IS MY LAST PRICE. I will not negociate the price. The car is registered and located in United States. I want to keep the car for me, but I cannot register it here, as it is made for the USA market, according to US standards. So, I decided to sell it.
A few words about the car:
-2004 Chevrolet Corvette Coupe
-Mileage: 34,622
-Automatic
-Title is clean.
-Engine: 8 CYLINDERS 5.7 Liters
-Exterior: Si lver
-Interior: Black
-VIN#: 1G1YY22G945133746
The car is like new, in perfect conditions, accident free, no scratches, no special marks, no need for additional repairs what so ever. A genuine road runner ready to be yours, but only if you shall understand and you won't make me loose time as it has already happened to me.

If you have any question please don't hesitate to reply.
Thank you again for your interest.

Regards! Samantha

This is the second reply, exactly the same sent to John.

Hello,

As I told you in my first e-mail, I am in Scotland, United Kingdom with my work. Before leaving US I had prearranged the deal with MoneyBookers.com so my presence in US isn't necessary. The car is in their warehouse in New York ready for delivery.You have 10 days to test and inspect the car. So if you want to make this deal I need the following details from you:

full name and address
shipping address
phone #

Regards! Sam

Glad to find out this is a scam, this car is worth 26k and was to good to be true. Hope no one else falls for this rip off.

Posted by ET on May 1, 2008 at 10:01

OMG!!! This is the exact email response I received but for a different car! Total scam!!! Buyer beware!

Hello,

Thank you for your interest about my car. Sorry for the delayed response, but I'm in Glasgow (Scotland) right now and I have been very busy. The total price of the 2006 Land Rover Range Rover HSE 4X4 is $9,600.00USD shipping included .THIS IS MY LAST PRICE. I'll not negociate the price. The car is registered and located in United States. I want to keep the car for me, but I cannot register it here, as it is made for the USA market, according to US standards. So, I decided to sell it.Luxury and full-sized utility all in one beautiful package this is 2006 Land Rover Range Rover HSE 4X4.A few words about the car:

-2006 Land Rover Range Rover HSE 4X4

-Mileage:20,000

-Automatic

-Title is clean.

-Engine:4.4L V8 MPI DOHC 32V

-Exterior:Buckingham Blue

-Interior:Navy

-Vin#SALMF15406A204715

The car is like new, in perfect conditions, accident free, no scratches, no special marks, no need for additional repairs what so ever. A genuine road runner ready to be yours, but only if you shall understand and you won't make me loose time as it has already happened to me.

If you have any question please don't hesitate to reply.

Thank you again for your interest.
__________________________________________

second reply:

Hello,

*Full name and address
*Shipping address and zip code
*Phone #

Waiting your email with the requested details.

Regards!

Posted by Felicia on May 7, 2008 at 02:23

Here's my deal off of craigslist

[quote]Karen Troah to me

show details 9:31 PM (21 hours ago)

Reply

Hello there,
Sorry for my delayed response, but I'm a soldier detached in Scotland for a long time and I have been very busy for the last couple of days. Anyway, thank you for your interest in buying my Honda. The car is located in US right now and has US papers. Why is the price so low? I had to move out of USA because of my job and I am going through a divorce. So all that I want to do now is sell the car at this price, because I need to sell it fast. The title is clean and you will have absolutely no problems to register the car in the States.

I will tell you a few words about my car...
VIN#: 1HGCG31782A011638. Miles: 33,075
It is in immaculate condition, rust free, no scratch, no need for additional repairs, and hasn't been involved in any accident. The motor runs very well. The interior looks great. This car needs nothing! The title is clear, it is not a salvage one. I want this transaction to go smoothly enough as I am caught in the middle of some very important events and have little time at my disposal. I already have tones of emails so I hope you understand that I need to sort them out. The car is ready to be yours, but only if you shall understand and you won't make me loose time as it has already happened to me.
The price is $3,700 USD! THIS IS MY LAST PRICE! I will not negotiate the price!
Also, I take in consideration only those buyers who are really interested in buying the car, to be sure that I'm not waisting my time with endless discussions. This way, I'll be assured of the serious intentions.
So if you are interested please email me!

Please click here for more photos:
http://s300.photobucket.com/albums/nn29/2002HondaAccordEX/

Kind Regards,
Karen Troah[/quote]
############################################

[quote]Karen Troah to me

show details 3:34 PM (3 hours ago)

Reply

Hello,
Look how we will do this:
Before leaving i had prearranged shipping with MoneyBookers so my presence in US isn't necessary.The car is in a MoneyBookers warehouse in US, ready for delivery.I will offer a 5 day period to test drive the car from the moment you receive it from the shipping company.
So if you want to make this deal i will need the following details from you:

full name and address
shipping address
phone #
After I will have all this details I will forward them to MoneyBookers and I will proceed the order.
MoneyBookers will contact you with all the details that you need to complete this deal and also to see that i am covered by them and if I am legit seller.
Waiting your email with the requested details.

Tank You![/quote]

Thank goodness for Google leading me to here. Be careful guys

Posted by darkplayer on May 9, 2008 at 08:02

Offer through MoneyBookers, Does this sound familiar???

Below is the e-mail I received after inquiring about a Bike for sale on Craigs List.

fromdouglas barber
to Ed

dateThu, May 8, 2008 at 1:51 PM
subjectRE: Emailing: 2006 SUZUKI BURGMAN 650 SCOOTER [U]
mailed-byhotmail.com

hide details 1:51 PM (9 hours ago) Reply

Hi,
The bike is in great condition, it has been properly maintained, never been dropped or abused in any way. It has clear title and the price I'm selling it for is $2900, which is including all the shipping charges.
I live in Miami but currently I am with work in UK, London for the next approximately 7 months. Anyway, there shouldn`t be any problem, because I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell the bike without difficulty.
I left the bike at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They will take care of the delivery. There`s a 14-day return policy so you will have the chance to test, inspect and ride it before final decision.
So if you want to purchase it, drop me a line and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward.
I am waiting your email.
Thanks

This smells like a scam to me right from the get go.

BEWARE! BEWARE! BEWARE!

Common sense says that if it sounds to good to be true, It probably is...

Posted by Ed on May 9, 2008 at 12:09

My reply to Douglas:

Hi Douglas... or is that your real name for sure? I found about half a dozen adds similar to yours with the same text and everything pretending to use Money Bookers... See, not every one is as stupid as you think.... To bad some naive people fall four your type of SCAM only to realize they lost the money. By the way if you pretend to be an american, first learn english as we speak here and learn to spell correctly.

Hope you get caught soon. I wish you many years in jail....

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 1:51 PM, douglas barber wrote:

Posted by Ed on May 9, 2008 at 12:22

An email with all headers (especially those that start with "Received") can be used to track the sender, often down to their exact location.
Provide them to authorities.

Posted by Patrick on May 9, 2008 at 12:33

Have used MB for 2 years with no problems - but noticed 2 send money transactions on my account totalling $200 which I did not make. Reported it to MB and now my account is frozen with just $2 in it.

Posted by Stuart on May 10, 2008 at 16:59

Same Scam going on right now on Craig's List out of Vancouver, BC.... this time with an ATV. Emailed back saying we'd pick it up at the warehouse and pay cash.... but no answer to that email. No wonder!!! Glad we checked this out but not nieve enought to fall for that "send your money first" deal.

Larry

Posted by Larry on May 14, 2008 at 08:33

Found a bike on craigslist that sounded too good to be true. When I contacted the seller this is what he had to say......

Hi,
There are 12000 miles on it, the bike is in great condition, has been properly
maintained, has never been dropped or abused in any way. It has a clear title and the
price I`m selling it for is $2980, which is including all shippings charges.
I live in Atlanta but I`m currently working in the UK (London) and I`ll be staying here for the next approximately 7 months, anyway I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell this bike without difficulty. I left it at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They will take care of the delivery with a 14-day return policy so you will have the chance to test and inspect it before final decision.
If you want to purchase it, let me know and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works
and how we can move forward.
I am waiting your email.
Thanks.

Thanks to all of your comments I caught on to his scam. Is there any way to report this person?

Posted by Josh on May 15, 2008 at 05:58

Same thing again just a different car on AutoTrader.com.
Smart enough not to send money!
Sorry for those who did.

Anyway to prosecute these people?

Posted by Dawn on May 17, 2008 at 04:41

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